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Global Warne-ing. This is the
part of the site where you can add any reminiscence or
anecdote about Warne Marsh. Contact me at the
link on the Home page.
As an
addendum to his post below,
musician
Alan Matheson
has sent the following: Hi Seth, The recording can be heard here.
The lead sheet
is included in
the initial
post below
Bill Schweitzer has posted his
reminiscences on Warne Marsh in concert
for "Jazz In Flight". Recorded by KJAZ
on Oct. 18, 1987
Kirk
Silsbee has posted his
reminiscences on Warne
Marsh & Pete
Christlieb at
Pasquale's, Aug. 27,
1980 From
whence I sprang: Warne
Marsh & Pete
Christlieb at
Pasquale's, Aug. 27,
1980. Quite
simply, this was one of
the greatest music
performances in my life.
My journal notes from
that night on the first
tune read: "Shoot me
while I'm happy." Two
great tenor
saxophonists--superlative
improvisers both--took
the gift of Lester
Young's linear and
melodic innovation to
its apogee. A worthy
rhythm section of
pianist Lou Levy,
bassist and Pasquale's
proprietor Pat Senatore,
and drummer Dick Berk
navigated the chordal
and harmonic shoals of
Johnny Mandel's "Close
Enough For Love," "Love
Me or Leave Me," "What's
New," "Love For Sale,"
Cannonball Adderley's
"Wabash," "My Heart
Stood Still," "The Night
Has a Thousand Eyes,"
and "Lunarcy."
Musician Alan Matheson shares his reminiscences of Warne Marsh in Canada during the 1970's: Hello... Hi!
Alan Matheson. Vancouver, BC. 27 July 2018
Burt Golden shares his reminiscences of Warne Marsh and The Half Note from the 1950's: Hello...
From
John Mathieu: I
saw Warne
together with
Lee
Konitz
at Ronnie
Scott's in
London in
early 1976. He
was, as I'm
sure you know,
outstanding.
Later this
month I am
going to a
tribute
concert in
Manhattan for
Art Pepper. I
am 68 now but
still going
strong and
listening to
live jazz. I
have to say...
Warne was one
hell of a
great tenor
and I will
never forget
hearing him
live. John Mathieu. 10 February 2016 Hello Jack I first knew Warne around 1962. The first time I heard about him was when a friend of mine played an album of Lee Konitz and Warne. It knocked me out. I don't remember when I first met Warne, but I saw him at many places where he played in L.A. I remember one time I saw him in Pasadena, playing with an alto man. It was very hot and in between tunes he played about 10 or 12 bars of "Heat Wave", which showed a sense of humor. Warne was very soft spoken. He came over to my apartment with Buddy Clark, a bass player, on a motor scooter, about one hour's ride from North Hollywood. I was at a party at his place when some musicians from New York showed up. They had never heard of Warne. When he pulled out his horn and joined in the session their jaws dropped. He played so much, they couldn't believe it. The last time I saw him was at Donte's in North Hollywood. That is about all I remember as it was a long time ago. Robert DeHay. Atlanta, Georgia. 31 May 2015. Dear Jack I don't make it a habit of writing to unknown e-mail addresses and I have nothing substantial to contribute to your website other than the memories I have of seeing and hearing Warne Marsh at Donte's, in North Hollywood, along with Med Flory, Jack Nimitz, Conte Candoli, et al. in "Supersax" in the early 1970s. I ate up the "Crosscurrent" recordings with Tristano and Konitz (who I saw twice in my life), which I first discovered, also in the early 70s, and the famous Konitz/Marsh recording of 1955 I have in my record library. Strangely enough, I heard Marsh with Supersax before I discovered the "Crosscurrent" recordings, but my perception of his playing was always the same: pristine purity, a forward driving virtuosity, crystal-like lines, slim and purposeful, might also be a description I would use. I have always had a great admiration for Marsh, as for Konitz, and I was fortunate to see him (Marsh) one last time, playing in a small concert in Stuttgart, Germany in the 1980s with the famous Austrian tenor saxophonist, Hans Koller. I would be most happy to hear from you and, though we've never met, I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Earl Rosenbaum. Stuttgart, Germany. (formerly residing near Los Angeles, CA) 21 December 2014. Many
visitors to
this website
will recognise
the name
Larry Kart.
Larry has been
writing about
jazz and other
music for many
years
including for
Down Beat
magazine and
the Chicago
Tribune,
together with
his book "Jazz
in Search of
Itself".
Of particular
note here are
his writings
on Warne
Marsh.
He wrote the
booklet
enclosed with
the Mosaic
boxed CD set
"The Complete
Atlantic
Tristano,
Konitz and
Marsh" and
also the liner
notes for the
the Nessa
Records
release of
"All Music". Great site — many thanks. In that Don Specht anecdote about Warne playing on the
slow theme
from the
fourth
movement from
Bartok’s
Concerto for
Orchestra, IV. "Intermezzo interrotto". Allegretto. The fourth movement, "Intermezzo interrotto" (literally "interrupted intermezzo"), consists of a flowing melody with changing time signatures, intermixed with a theme parodying the song "Da geh' ich zu Maxim" from Franz Lehár's operetta The Merry Widow, as the composer's pianist friend György Sándor has made clear. The later idea that Bartók was ridiculing the march tune in Dmitri Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7 "Leningrad" came from a misinterpreted claim by the composer's son Peter. It is much more likely, however, that both composers were parodying Lehár's universally popular song.” Also, John Bianculli refers to a talented fellow student of Warne, tenorman “Greg Martin.” That probably should be Greg Marvin, who recorded for Criss Cross. Best,
Larry
Kart.
Highland Park,
Ill. 15
December 2014. Los
Angeles writer
on Jazz
matters, Kirk
Silsbee, has
sent me a copy
of his Journal
20, Vol. 13,
published some
years ago
which I found
of great
interest and
I'm certain
visitors to
this web site
will
too.
Thanks
Kirk.
1st. June
2014.
Kirk Silsbee’s Journal 20 Volume 13 “I met Warne Marsh in 1966. Lou Ciotti, who plays tenor with Les Brown, got us together. I was playing some commercial gig with Lou and he mentioned that he had just seen Warne. I was already a big fan of his and I called him up. I
was playing a
dance gig and
they were
short a tenor
player; the
leader told me
to show up
with ‘a body
in a tux.’
I asked
Warne if he
was doing
anything that
night and
would he like
to make fifty
dollars.
He said
sure.
I
remember we
were playing a
medley of
tunes where
each guy would
get up, call a
number to the
pianist and
solo.
One of
the trumpet
players called
a tune that
nobody had
heard before.
It was
the kind of
tune that took
some doing to
listen to.
But
Warne just
listened to
this guy play
his solo and,
based on that,
he had the
tune and its
chord
structure all
figured out.
Then
Warne stood up
and played a
fantastic solo
on this thing.
And
afterward he
told me he’d
never heard it
before.
I
should say
that I never
heard a horn
player with as
much force as
Warne had.
I mean,
there were a
lot of strange
things about
him: he had
small hands
and he wasn’t
a big,
barrel-chested
player, but he
had an
incredible
command of the
instrument.
Yeah—I
guess you
could call
that a
visceral
thing.
Pete
Christlieb has
that,
too--that
‘jungle
communication’
of so much raw
talent.
With
both of those
guys you know
you’re in the
presence of
something
magical.
And
in ’67, Warne
and I were in
Clare
Fischer’s band
with Ciotti
and Bud Shank
and a bunch of
guys.
Then
Warne went
back to New
York; there
was always
that magnetic
New York
thing.
Later
on, Lennie
beckoned in
’77; he
thought it
might be the
right time for
Warne to go to
New York.
Warne
was the kind
of player you
could be in
awe of forever
and ever.
With a
lot of players
you get to the
point where
you know just
about what
they’re going
to play before
they play
it—if you’re
around them
for any length
of time.
But
Warne
continually
surprised you.
It was
pure
improvising.
A
great solo is
no accident.
It comes
from knowing
the material
so well that
when you
improvise,
it’s all
intuitive.
That’s
why when I
play in
public, I
don’t like to
have to read
anything.
I’ll
take the time
to learn an
Alan Broadbent
tune or a
Clare Fischer
tune before I
solo on it.
You
know that
Warne wrote
some of the
Supersax
arrangements?
Yeah,
but they
didn’t like
his
arrangements
because he
didn’t write
the unison
lines that
they always
played.
The
baritone parts
always kind of
angled in; the
baritone was
always a
renegade in
his charts.”
–Gary Foster,
12/29/87
I
just ran
across a
fragment of an
anecdote on a
recorded
practice
session with
bass player,
Eric Von
Essen.
Eric quoted a
musician
(probably a
pianist) who
played with
Warne, that
Warne called a
tune in Ab but
he thought he
had said Eb,
and they
started
playing in different keys but Warne heard it and switched to the
other key in
the space of
one bar!
Charles Coffman, Venice, CA. 8 November 2013.
This the first
time I have
seen this web
site about the
musical career
of Warne
Marsh.
Thank you so
much for
starting it
up....
every one who
has written in
have comments
about his
music, I hope
it will be OK
to hear a
little about
his life
growing
up in
North
Hollywood.
Our mother,
who was a
musician
before her
marriage,
gave Warne his
first
instrument, a
piano
accordion, he
had already
mastered the
piano in the
living
room. He
strapped the
instrument on, fiddled
around with it
for about ten
minutes, then
started to
play music
like he had
been
practicing for
years.
He was about
nine or ten
years old at
the
time. I
don't think
there was
a musical
instrument
made that he
couldn't pick
up and
play.
By the time he
was in junior
high school he
had settled
down to the
alto
saxophone,
a couple of
years later he
switched to
the
tenor.
His junior
high music
teacher wanted
him to try out
for the Los
Angeles all
city
orchestra,
they had
enough sax
players but
they could use
a bass
clarinet, so
mother bought
him a bass
clarinet, he
practiced for
a couple of
days, went
down and tried
out for the
band and was
accepted.
Warne's room
became a
recording
studio (mother
bought him a
recording
machine) so I
was used to
the all night
sessions with
some of the
boys who would
later become
the big names
in the musical
world.
So Warne
became known
in the musical
world and
fulfilled our
mother's
dream, and our
sister,
Gloria, was
to become a
very talented
and successful
artist, and I
took after our
father who was
a prominent
cinematographer
at MGM
studios, and
had my
career as
a
cameraman.
Regards,
Owen Marsh. July 27th. 2013. Hi, first of all I'm not a musician, I can't read music, I can't play anything and, last but not least, I'm Italian so ..... sorry for my poor English! But
I think I can
(and I like)
listen to
music very
carefully and
from 25 years
ago my music
is jazz (I'm
forty-seven).
By the way I
think that
nowadays it's
difficult
listening to
something
that's really
new or
exciting:
according to
me jazz should
be still
rhythm and
improvisation,
that is
something you
don't expect
when you start
listening. And
here,
therefore, Mr.
Warne Marsh,
surely one of
the most
important
saxophonist
and jazz
musician "tout
court" of the
past century,
the man whose
warm (not
"cool"!) sound
is always a
touching
surprise for
me (never
boring like
often Coltrane's,
Rollins' or
Getz's music
is...).
So,
I must
congratulate
for your
website that's
really a
"benchmark"
for everybody
who likes
Marsh's music
and tries to
collect almost
everything he
recorded. By
the way, I
really don't
understand why
many tracks
are still
unissued (for
instance,
songs from
"L.K. meets
W.M. again" or
from "Report
from 1st
annual
Symposium...")
or impossible
to find (for
instance, "For
the time
being" or "W.M
meets Gary
Foster"): too
many private
tapes only for
a few people's
pleasure!
Last of all, my best wishes for your "web work" and thank you very much for your passion. Riccardo
Dagnino,
Sicily,
Italy.
30th. April
2012.
Hello
Jack, Fred Born – West Milford, New Jersey, USA. April 4th. 2012. I
saw Warne with
Supersax at a
high school
jazz festival
in 1979 in
northern
California and
as a fledgling
sax player,
was blown
away.
I got to talk
to Warne after
the show and
asked him how
do you play
like that, all
wide eyed and
in awe, and
his kind and
gentle reply
was "10 years
or 10,000
hours...
whatever comes
first," then
he gave me an
autograph.
That was a
long time ago
but one of my
best jazz
memories, and
I still
remember how
his solos that
day changed my
look at how
the horn was
played.
He was very
powerful.
Thanks Warne.
I
recently
received an
email from Los
Angeles based
jazz writer
Kirk Silsbee
quoting an
unpublished
letter written
by composer
Don Specht in
January 1990.
In this,
Specht wrote
about playing
with Warne
Marsh and Kirk
has kindly
given me
permission to
add this
letter to the
Warne Marsh
web
site.
Kirk has also
provided the
thumbnail
below, on Don
Specht: Warne and I met in Los Angeles in the late 1950s, through Buddy Clark, the bass player. He had a casual dance gig and needed a piano (me) and one horn (Warne). We hit it off. Warne had a great fey sense of humor and knew the Tristano Kids were not held in high favor by the Bebop Boys. So he was not only impressed that I was a bopper who loved Bud Powell, but that I also knew Tristano’s 1945 Keynote sides: “Out on a Limb,” “I Can’t Get Started,” etc. I also liked to play chess and Scrabble, which were passions of his. Warne was close to being a master in chess, but we were fairly even in Scrabble. He hated to lose, and if you won, he insisted on “just one more game.” That could go on if he didn’t win. There were very few of those occasions! Warne used to come over to my tiny bed-sitter at 1552 ¼ on narrow, steep Lucretia Avenue in Echo Park. It almost became a gig for him: show up about 9 P.M., have a drink or two, buckle on his horn, and away we would go for at least two hours. It was just like a club date. Weird we were, playing sets! He liked my “arranger’s piano”--no frills, no florid runs, just solid changes. Early on he made a point of saying, “Can you cut out all those hip substitutions? I’ll play those; you just feed me the basic changes and I’ll play on top of it. Listen to how Lennie does it.” This began a long friendship, which survived Warne opening a bottle of champagne and blowing out a window with the cork. With his analytical mind, he calculated the odds of hitting the exact trajectory again. Warne was very good with electronics and worked as a repairman for quite a while in the 1960s. Problem solving is a major key to understanding him—whether in music, games or electronics. He just couldn't solve the problems in his personal relations. As I said, we treated my apartment as a club date, and after the “gig” we would get some take-out food and sit at a table playing chess or Scrabble until the wee hours. Or we would alternate between blowing and games. I knew all the Tristano Capitol sides, the ones with Lee and Warne. So we played those and we would play Lee’s lines. You can imagine the panic I had getting through “Wow,” especially the bridge! Whoooooeeee! Somehow we got through it and cracked up laughing when we totally screwed something up. Warne always wanted a challenge. You couldn’t sit back, relax and play the same thing night after night. My favorite story came about from nothing more than incipient boredom. Warne said, “Christ! Isn’t there some other ballad we could play?! Something we haven’t put through the wringer?!” I started noodling, strictly from left field, and he said, “I know that; can’t we make a ballad out of it?” It was the slow theme from the fourth movement of Bartok’s Concerto for Orchestra, the send-up of Tchaikovsky. He probably loved Bartok more than any other composer. Well, we fiddled around with it for about an hour. We took the opening motif and welded that on, worked through some other bits and pieces and ended up with a damn curious—but marvelous—“ballad.” Fade out and now dissolve to one of the in-type L.A. jazz clubs, with all the hipsters—the Miles and Sonny coterie--hanging around. The leader of the house band played piano and was not wont to let other piano players sit in, but Warne—that was another matter. He was hip, man! I don’t recall why we went; we probably had too much to drink at my apartment and decided to find a session somewhere to whip out our polished musical wares. We did that on rare occasions when my stage jitters didn’t bother me. I mean, who the hell was going to get up there and play the bridge of “Wow” with Warne Marsh?! Anyhow, Warne played a set but I can’t remember the other horn players that night. Although Dr. Jazz, the house pianist, held court most of the night, Warne asked, “When is Don going to sit in, man?” When hell froze over, I guessed. Finally, the leader asked Warne to play a ballad! “What do you want to blow?” Warne thought, looked at me, turned to the guy and said, “Bartok’s Concerto for Orchestra.” End of story except, as you may have guessed, I did get up there and we played our tune. It blew everybody away and left Dr. Jazz nonplussed, but quiet as a mouse fart. I have never played that tune with anyone else, and haven’t even thought of it for years. Warne called it “Bartok’s Ballad.” The years went by and we fell away from the blowing days. I got married, he got married. He went back to New York for a while and I fell into the limpid pools of television, writing a lot of greenback music. Of course, when we saw each other that was another story. But the bloom had gone, the roses faded, and we got old. Ironically Warne died in Donte’s, playing “Out of Nowhere,” one of the tunes we had played together 30 years before. Buddy Clark was the bass player that night; I was at home when Buddy phoned. There was no thunderclap as with Beethoven, but I could hear a sardonic laugh somewhere out there: “Let’s play this in another key, man.” Don Specht, January 30, 1990 Thank
you so much
for collecting
and making
available so
much
information
about this
great
musician. I
have been a
fan since
cutting my
musical ears
on the great
Lennie
Tristano
quintette,
back in the
early 50's. It
is hard to
believe that
Warne has been
dead now for
23 years. One
of my
favourite
combinations
was Warne and
Susan Chen.
Their empathy
was palpable.
I have kept
track of Susan
who is now in
San Francisco.
Unfortunately
I have been
unable to
track down
their duo
recording.
(Note by JG. - David's Dad was the late Pete Chilver, who played guitar with the Ted Heath band, George Shearing, Ralph Sharon and many others.) Jack,
I
just spent
nine days on
the Lower East
Side at a club
called The
Stone where
Connie
Crothers was
curating a
two-week
series of
music, at the
corner of 2nd
Street and
Avenue C where
they all
converge at
Houston (in NY
it's
pronounced
House-ton).
And Bud
Tristano
(Lennie's son)
(age 50 now
and looks 35!)
told me that
Peter Ind's
studio was
just down the
street at 223
East Second
Street, where
those two
great Wave
albums of
Warne's were
recorded, and
the CD version
has your photo
of Warne &
Peter.
I realize now
the
significance
of Peter Ind's
pastel
painting of
the
Williamsburg
Bridge on the
cover
(!) because
one
afternoon, saxophonist
Richard Tabnik
and I walked
over the
bridge from
Connie's
studio in
Williamsburg
over to the
Lower East
Side
--
the bridge
touches down
on the
Manhattan side
only blocks
from Peter's
recording
studio of
those
days!
Perfect.
--Mark
Weber,
Albuquerque.
7th. October
2009
Hi
Jack, As
a footnote to
the Marsh gig,
I smuggled in
a small
primitive
cassette
player. After
the first
number - "It's
You or No One"
- Warne
strolled over
to our table,
and I thought
I was going to
get a ticking
off for
recording
him.
Instead he
politely asked
if the sound
was ok.
I still have a
very poor copy
of that
recording
which is now
incomplete.
In
my humble
opinion he
really took
jazz forward
from Bird, and
was as
important as
Coltrane!
Anyhow,
Bless You
for setting
up the site!
V
Best Wishes
When
Warne Marsh
and Lou Levy
toured Europe
in March/April
1983, the tour
organiser,
Gerry Teekens,
chose, as bass
player, Jesper
Lundgaard who
was very well
known and a
drummer few
had heard of
before, James
Martin.
When Warne and
Lou finished
the
continental
Europe tour to
appear in
London, they
left behind
both Lundgaard
and Martin and
played in a
duo and then a
quartet
setting in
London before
heading back
to the U.S. in
mid May. “Hello, Obviously, having spent quite a considerable time asking around for the whereabouts of this gifted drummer, I couldn’t let things end there and so I replied to James asking him about his career, and in particular, his playing with Warne. He has kindly allowed me to add the following story, with pictures, from that memorable tour. Hello
Jack, I had a recent exchange of emails with Ted Brown, and I mentioned the Lennie Tristano line on “How High The Moon” which Lennie named “Lennie-Bird”. Ted had an anecdote (one of his many anecdotes) for this as follows: "When Lennie wrote that line, he had no regard for a horn player's need to take a breath once in a while. That was the same problem with Lennie's line on "See You In My Dreams" where the last 16 bars had no space whatsoever for a breath. When Warne and I played that we worked it out so I would omit a couple notes in one place and he would do the same in another place so we could each grab a quick breath but there would never be a break in the sound. But with just one horn that is tough". All the best, Ted July 21, 2009 Jack: Thanks
for the
website.
My
name is Joel
Fass. I am a
guitarist-composer
living in
Yonkers, NY,
and on the
local jazz
scene for well
nigh 30 years.
I've been
fortunate to
rub shoulders
with many
wonderful
improvisers---the
tribal
chieftains of
this
music----and
Warne Marsh
was one of
these.
One
of my oldest
friends is
Jared
Bernstein. He
is well-known
as an
economist now,
and is Joe
Biden's chief
economic
advisor. But
years ago he
was a bassist
in NY. He
shared an
apartment with
a pianist
named Rob
Schneiderman
(also a
mathematician!).
They had
sessions all
the time
in the
80s and one
day, likely at
the behest of
Rob, Warne
came over. We
were
young players.
Rob was 25, I
think. I was
an old man at
28. I
remember they
('they' not
being Warne,
let me be
clear) made
me wait in the
other room
while they
played quartet
for a while in
Rob's
room---which,
you might
imagine, made
me feel weird.
I kept hearing
great sounds
in
there---mostly
from
Warne---and
was dying to
play. Finally
I went in and
remember
vividly what
he played, and
the tunes we
played (this
was 1982!).
Warne had a
totally
individual
rhythmic
concept, which
fit him like a
glove. In
describing him
and that day,
and I have a
few times,
just as
I've recalled
a very
few other
special days
of my musical
life, I've
somehow been
drawn to
compare him to
the great
Brazilian
singer Elis
Regina: ahead
of the beat
but totally
secure &
never
rushing.
He was totally
free and I
felt he didn't
want to be
tethered to a
pulling chord
instrument
like the
piano. I also
thought a lot
about Bird,
not to compare
them. I just
did is
all. The
thing
is I felt
I was involved
with a special
and rare
creative mind
and soul that
day. His
lines were
thrilling and
I felt the
presence of
greatness----a
feeling I've
rarely felt in
my career to
date.
On
break Warne
smoked reefer
out of a pipe
and
philosophized.
Well, we all
did, and I
remember he
did not preach
or talk down
to us
younguns. He
was hangin'
with the cats,
that's all. I
remember one
of
his musings
like it was
yesterday:
'the reason
men go out and
start wars is
jealousy over
women---the
fact that they
can't create
life by
bearing
children'.
If
the readers
will forgive
me a moment's
prideful
self-indulgence
I also will
share one of
the
nicest---not
to mention the
succinctest----compliments
I've ever
gotten as a
musician,
especially one
as rare as
Warne. We
finished
playing and
Warne was
putting his
horn
away. I
was packing up
and the
bandstand had
cleared, all
to go our
separate ways
to the next
leg of the
journey. Warne
turned to me,
looked
with piercing
blue eyes
right at me,
and said:
"Yeah,
man. What's
your
name?"
Joel Fass. Yonkers, NY. March 17th. 2009. Hello
Jack I
was a jazz
improvisation
student of
Warne’s in the
early
‘70’s. I
was a bebop
jazz guitarist
and was
studying with
Warne and Joe
Pass at the
time. So
many
stories.
Just a
couple…..
I remember
going over to
his house in
Pasadena for
lessons.
During a break
he would have
the chess
board out,
drinking and
listening to
Supersax
recordings on
his headphones
– at the same
time. I
remember when
he performed
at Donte’s
with Supersax
and when he
started to
solo, and
circular
breath,
everyone on
the stage just
stepped back,
Med Flory’s
jaw dropped
and they all
just looked
transfixed
waiting to
hear what
would come
next. I
started taking
lessons with
Warne at the
music store
that Gary
Foster was
working at in
Pasadena on
Colorado
Blvd. I
had just taken
Gary’s class
at Pasadena
City College
(same time
that all the
Van Halen guys
were
there).
Putter Smith
(bassist – who
also managed a
role in a
James Bond
movie and
insisted that
they pay for
his entire
family to go
over to Europe
with him
otherwise he
wouldn’t take
the part…..)
would come by
to play from
time to
time.
Warne had a
jazz improv
class and was
convinced that
his method
would allow
ones
improvisational
abilities to
reveal
themselves……and
they did. I studied with Warne while he was living in Pasadena. My lessons took place in a small building behind his main home, during the years of 1976 thru 1979.
His method of
"slow
improvisation",
by playing the
melody of a
song at a very
slow tempo,
and each time
through the
song, change
the melody a
little at a
time, was my
main work with
Warne.
By playing the
melody, the
chord changes
became
apparent, and
there was no
need to read
the
changes! He
told me to
come back in 3
months and I
did what he
told me
to. When
I returned, he
said I was one
of the few
players that
was able to
accomplish
this task
correctly.
The
only other
work I did
with him was
to listen to
and study
Charlie
Parker.
I am an alto player, but double on all of
the
saxophones,
flutes, and
clarinet.
I am
considered the
most melodic
player
around.
Rob Elinson, Oceanport, New Jersey.
April 16, 2008
Following the recent addition to the Photo Gallery of the fine photos by Mark Weber of the Warne Marsh - Harold Land Quintet taken at the Hyatt Hotel, Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles back in April 1985, I've received the following message: It
was really
wonderful to
see actual
photos of this
rare session
after all
these years,
as I actually
attended that
performance.
I recall it as
a really
scintillating
collaboration,
and one of the
occasions when
Warne just
pulled out all
the stops and
played
miraculous
solos all
evening.
Two great
historical
tenors from
Los Angeles in
intense
interplay! It
was something
else.
Harold
Land was a
great and
serious
improviser and
a wonderful
tenor stylist
who played
with some of
the greatest
players: Wes
Montgomery,
Clifford
Brown, Max
Roach; all of
these giants
are deceased
now.
That he was
able to
collaborate
with Warne
Marsh with the
wonderful
rhythm section
of Gildo
Mahones, Bob
Maize and
Tootie Heath
on this night
was truly an
event. As I
recall it, the
music was
superb and
full of deep
feeling from
start to
finish.
That it was
not recorded
is
unfortunate,
but how
excellent that
this admirable
occasion is at
least
memorialized
visually.
Warne
indeed played
brilliantly,
and I
think he was
very happy to
play with
these
musicians; it
was an
exceptional
night for all
concerned, and
a great jazz
set.
I'm
so grateful
that these
pictures
exist, that
seems very
magical to me.
Charles Coffman. Venice, California. September 14th. 2007. I used to sit in once in a while with Warne and his guys while I was a Tristano student and it was exhilarating and we would swing like mad and he just played so beautiful behind me with improvised licks that just pushed you. Anyway, he invited me to sing with the band at a posh club on the east side of the city. The first person I saw was Jacob Javits and that put me away. I couldn't sing a note and the owner of the club turned off my mike and even my date left without me. I was so destroyed. Warne asked me to the next jam session he had and he said "We have to let Bob redeem himself". I wailed and was restored but the thought of bombing that bad still plagues me. That was one of the kindest things that ever happened to me as he had the depth to understand how I was suffering. Bob Sachs. Dania, Florida. October 13th. 2006. I
became aware
of Warne
during my
college years
in the 1960s.
Somebody
played the old
Tristano sides
with Warne
& Lee
Konitz where
they did “Wow”
and I thought
about giving
up the horn
right then and
there. Later,
I heard that
recording
Warne did with
Lee that
included
“Topsy” and
“Background
Music” and was
hooked for
life! It's nice that there are people out there who like to listen to Warne Marsh, I thought at one stage is was just me. He is an extremely inventive musician. Unfortunately
the current
trend seems to
produce
Coltrane
clones, who
seem to be
paid by the
note.
Good
luck with your
continuing
work.
regards
Mike
Weinblatt.
High Wycombe,
England.
26th. June
2006.
I
only saw Warne
play one time,
at the Jazz
Showcase in
Chicago in the
early '80s. We
weren't sure
if the house
drummer Wilbur
Campbell would
be right for
Warne, but it
worked just
fine. By the
time the third
set started,
it was the wee
hours of the
morning, and
fewer than a
dozen of us
were left in
the club.
Warne closed
his eyes and
played his
heart out,
chorus after
chorus of
"vertical
improvisation,"
always finding
another tale
to weave. I
think he
identified
with the
late-night
diehards,
those of us
who would play
music or
listen to it
until we
dropped. Mike Stillman, Chicago. May 31st. 2006. I just
wanted to
share a very
wonderful
experience I
had with Warne
and his
family. Back
around 1981 or
early 1982 I
was sharing a
house in Long
Beach Long
Island with a
very fine and
dedicated
musician by
the name of
Frank
Leonetti. I
had gone to my
lesson earlier
in the week
and Warne said
that he was
looking for a
place to live
for himself
and his
family. I told
him about Long
Beach and that
it was a great
place in the
summer but
cold in the
winter. He
asked if I
would mind if
he came by to
check it out…I
said No
Problem and on
that Sunday he
came by with
his wife and
two sons. He
took Frank and
I to lunch and
after that we
had an
impromptu Jam
Session. Warne
played a very
old Alto that
I used and
made it sound
like a new
horn. The
other guys at
that session
were Richie
Califano and
Ed Sorensen
and I think my
friend Neil
Jacobsen
played drums.
It was so fine
to hear Warne.
Around
1971 or 1972
Warne was
living in
North
Hollywood. Bob
DeHay.
Atlanta, GA.
December 14th.
2005 I'm
currently
writing a book
about my
studies and
experiences
with Warne in
the 1980's, I
would be happy
to communicate
with anyone in
the community
interested in
hearing about
it, if so
please contact
me by email at
jklopotowski@gmail.com Thanks and
I hope to hear
from you. Jack, great site. Kudos
to Mark Weber
for his
wonderful poem
"Warne Marsh".
I, too,
experienced
that breaking
through by
Marsh in 1965
at the Jazz
Workshop in
Boston, MA. A
friend and I
(in our
mid-twenties)
were ever so
fortunate to
see Warne with
Lee &
Lennie's
Quintet twice
in one week
(we lived an
hour and a
half away and
both had day
jobs). Warne
was absolutely
on fire,
electrified is
the only word
that fits, as
Mark indicated
so perfectly
in his
writing. I had
been musically
stimulated to
such a degree
"live" only
by THE John
Coltrane
Quartet, which
was also
visually
exciting.
Warne
accomplished
the feat with
"pure"
improvisation.
Over
the years, for
me, only
Warne at his
best can
approach the
level of
Coltrane's
classic Giant
Steps
material. I do
believe he was
a genius, yet
personally
humble, and
like all great
artists,
absolutely one
of a kind.
Jo
Keith
Milton,
NH.
USA.
June 12,
2005.
Dear
Jack: Best
wishes, I studied with Warne at the Hotel Bretton Hall on 86th and Broadway for about 2 1/2 years in the early 80's. I also remember two excellent players who also studied with him at the time. One was an Alto Player named Mike Kolodny. Mike was one of the most innovative players I have heard. The other student was a Tenor player named Gregg Martin. Gregg was also very cutting edge and a great player. I remember sitting on the floor outside Warne's hotel room before my lesson listening to him practice. He would weave a mosaic of music that was the most beautiful and sensitive playing I have ever heard. I wasn't a very good student and not a very good reader so Warne focused on my ear. I would listen to solos of Lester Young and Louis Armstrong and sing them to him. He also told me to listen to Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra to really learn a tune. He said that they were always true to the song. My time with Warne was very rewarding. He didn't want very much from life except to love his family and to play. To Warne Music was a religion that took care of everything else. He went through some pretty rough times with life but what he believed in more than anything was Music. His love of Music and his generosity to all who studied with him was very heartfelt especially to me. He was a friend and treated me as an equal even though I couldn't possibly stand in his very large shoes. He changed my life and I will never forget him. John P. Bianculli. Queensbury, New York. March 27th. 2005. WARNE MARSH Warne
starts his
solo
about
where Lester
would be
on his 40th
chorus
Warne
is way out
there already
soaring,
coasting,
everything at
lightening
speed
Lou
Levy or Alan
Broadbent on
piano
cool &
telepathic
laying down
these complex
bebop chords
and
Warne is
skirting over
the top
decorating
everything
with
all the
hippest
extensions
Nothing
is for show,
he's not
grandstanding
Warne
is the most
unpretentious
&
unassuming man
you could ever
hope to meet
Entirely
quiet off the
stage
and
here he is
inventing new
melodies
while
simultaneously
dotting the
tops of these
chords
playing
new songs
every five or
ten seconds
a
geyser of
ideas
absolutely
lyrical
just
burning
We
could never
figure out
how
he could know
all those
notes
and
where to find
them
on the tenor
saxophone
and
at such
velocity, and
all
at the service
of artistry
and beauty
majestic
a
monumental
testament to
the
powers of the
mind
and
the questing
improviser
That's
one of the
interesting
things about
jazz
is
that you can
hear a mind
thinking
you
can hear a
brain doing
its work
and
Warne's brain
in the 50th
chorus is
circuitry
electrified
crackling
light flashing
We're
in Donte's for
the second
time this week
North
Hollywood,
1976, 1977
it's
the witching
hour
and
night after
night
Warne
has been
blasting the
socks off
these tunes
everything
going up in
flames
"Lester Leaps
In"
"Autumn
Leaves"
"Out of
Nowhere"
"All the
Things You
Are"
"Slow Boat to
China"
he's
taken Lester's
message
and
he's
delivering it
to the Gods,
himself
on
tenor
saxophone!
scorching
quicksilver
luminescence
he's
out there with
the birds,
with Bird
himself
soaring
completely
fluid
the
club is full
of musicians
and hipsters
we're
gasping, on
the edge of
our seats
Warne
is blazing
his
eyes
catatonic,
wide-open and
focused
staring
dead straight
ahead intent
on his mission
he's
in a trance
and
he's brought
us all along
with him
there
is nothing
unknowable
about
where he is
and what he is
doing
nobody
can believe
what is
happening!
Warne
has broke
through
to the other
side
the
glowing light
of awe is
flooding
Donte's
he's
Gone, into the
stratosphere!
Warne
is sheer pure
energy
a
life force, he
is
everything
we always knew
jazz
could be
burning
free
improvisation
transcendence
chorus
after chorus
layer
upon layer
and
somehow out of
it all he
re-invents
the
original
melody!
it comes
popping out
entirely
of its own,
organically
recreated
right
before our
eyes
the
entire club
electrifies in
a wave of
goosebumps
our
hair standing
on end
ecstatic
Warne
is perfectly
connected to
the forces of
the universe
and
when it's all
over
he
lights a
cigarette
--Mark
Weber
[composed
25aug03]
*Donte's
jazz club
4269
Lankershim
Boulevard
North
Hollywood,
California
proprietors:
Carey &
May Leverette.
cover
charge was
$2.50 to sit
at
a little
bistro-like
table
OR
it was FREE if
you went to
the
bar!
It was just a
small place.
Average
size
for a southern
California
jazz club
-- fit
about 120
people
comfortably.
All
the cats from
Johnny Carson
would finish
their
afternoon
taping of the
show
(the
musicians in
Doc
Severinson's
tv band) and
you'd see them
in there all
the
time --
it was the
scene up in
the "Valley"
over the hill
from Hollywood
(North
Hollywood
was separated
by a row of
hills,
the same hills
where the
Hollywood
Bowl
is.
At the front
door of
Donte's was a
night blooming
jasmine bush
about 6 foot
tall ( jazz
men,
get it?) and
on warm summer
nights Carey
would leave
the door open
and this
hugely
aromatic
jasmine smell
would fill the
room.
Warne died on
the stage
years
later. And
Carey died at
his
desk.
I don't know
what's there
now.
Contributed by Mark Weber. Albuquerque,
New
Mexico.
February 21,
2005.
Congratulations Jack on your fine website devoted to Warne Marsh! This is something of real value as Warne was one of the great players of all time, and it's wonderful to be able to read the various comments by others on him and his music. I had the privilege of knowing Warne Marsh as a student in the early seventies when he was discovering a second career as a teacher -- something he came to truly enjoy. Warne's extrapolation of melodic improvisation was an innovative contribution to 20th century music; at his best he was certainly the equal of Lester Young and Charlie Parker, his main sources of inspiration along with Lennie Tristano. The subtle brilliance and complexity of his playing make him almost too challenging perhaps for the average jazz listener, as his music is really on a par with great classical music. His commitment to linear improvisation places him on a rather lonely peak of achievement shared by few others. He was truly a musical giant. I am sure that in the course of time Warne Marsh will emerge as one of the most incisive and impassioned musical thinkers of this era, for he was uncompromisingly dedicated to the possibilities of creative improvising based on the most thorough and deep comprehension of the interplay of melody, harmony and rhythm. Warne's solos exhibit both fire and intense intellectuality, and remain fresh and absorbing after repeated listenings. They are remarkable spontaneous compositions, full of surprises but with a superior sense of order. His was a soul wedded to music; Warne was a great artist who cared only for creative expression of a high kind. We are lucky that he was among us. He was a great teacher also, and he affirmed for me that art is the greatest of all ways to affirm the truth and beauty of being human. Let's never forget him! Thanks again Jack for putting your website together and contributing to the continuing celebration of Warne Marsh's extraordinary music. Charles
Coffman Dear Jack, What
a great
website. I
perused all of
it. The photos
are wonderful.
I especially
liked George
Ziskind's
contribution
-- just like
Warne, hugging
his horn and
looking at
George with
those intense
Warne Marsh
eyes. I also
like George's
contribution
to the
anecdotes --
it just
knocked me
over! I might
be able to
help identify
the tracks on
"The Art of
Improvising."
I was the
editor. Lennie
didn't tell
that to Warne
and Warne
assumed that
Lennie did the
editing. I did
it for Lennie
because he
wanted a solo
tape of
Warne's
playing from
that date. Thanks for this website. Connie Connie Crothers. New York City. February 10th. 2005. Hi Jack, I love the website. I’m 40+ and have dug the Lennie Tristano School since I was a child, when my father would play ‘Judy’, ‘Yesterdays’ and segments from ‘Crosscurrents’ and other related stuff on his upright piano (located in my bedroom). Warne Marsh always fascinated me. I was struck by how much he looked like the actor Alan Ladd (from ‘Shane’). In fact, Warne (and Lee Konitz, for that matter) never looked the same in successive photos. It struck me that they looked almost non-descript or ordinary. Warne looks ill on some of the photos in your gallery. I remember learning some of his solo’s, transposing them to alto. I’d hum them for weeks, months: I still know them. Warne and Lee (and the Lennie Tristano School) turned me off from a lot of jazz. I liked what they were doing but little else. I liked the linear approach to improvisation (and became influenced by it). My wife and I got married to ‘Darn that Dream’ (from the Marsh/Konitz European tour: the same line-up that you saw in Whitley Bay all those years back). I listen to Warne every week and have done for years. I don’t know if I’ve become blinkered. I listen to other stuff but rarely for long (exceptions are: Kenny Wheeler, Dewey Redman, some Monk, Charlie Haden). If it’s jazz it has to be from The School. It’s good to see that your website has been such a success. I’ve got no reminiscences to give you (sorry). I’ve seen Konitz a number of times (met him once) and am seeing him again on the 18 January (Kenny Wheeler’s 75th birthday gig). But perhaps my most important live attendance occurred when I was an undergraduate at the School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, University of Sussex. And it kind of links up with that Whitley Bay line-up. I was playing tenor at that time and a student buddy said that a guitarist and alto player played duets at one of the student bars on campus. I went along one Sunday afternoon and discovered that the guitarist was Dave Cliff and the altoist was Geoff Simkins. They were playing some familiar standards. One student asked if they’d play ‘Summertime’ (dreadful song!). I think it was Geoff Simkins who replied something like “I’ve got nothing new to say about that song, so sorry”. It reminded me of a story I heard about Lee Konitz: he was asked (somewhat unwisely) by a member of the audience, if he’d play ‘Take Five’. I think he replied “I wouldn’t be seen dead playing Take Five”! But I approached them and asked if they’d be prepared to go over some Tristano School lines. Dave Cliff was clearly shocked and quietly impressed I seem to recall. Anyway, they did go over some of those wonderful lines for the rest of the set. I don’t think that they’d practiced the lines regularly. There were a few errors. But it was great; the best live music I’ve ever heard (partly because of the relevance of it to me). I studied briefly with Simkins thereafter. Whilst gigging (on alto) in Portsmouth, a drummer said to me between songs that I reminded him of Lee Konitz: well, I could have hugged him, even if he was a drummer. I play a little jazz piano now having given up the sax for a number of reasons. I never saw Warne Marsh but I love that man’s music, its uncompromising purity, the feeling of humility you feel if you dare to try and keep up with him. It has always been an intimidating experience listening to Warne (certainly as a sax player I feel that). It surprises me that so many pianists tended to lay-out behind Konitz but not Warne. I’d have thought it’d been the other way round. Having said as much: I find it easier to follow Warne than Konitz on the piano. Anyway. Best wishes to you and to all likeminded souls out there. Keeping Warne’s memory alive is a truly great service and I thank you for it. Ralph Brooker Assessment Support & Domiciliary Service Hampshire Autistic Society England. 10th. January 2005 Thanks for your incredibly important work on one of the only people who understood the logical next direction for the trajectory of Fats, Prez and Bird - to pick the fattest pillars. As Bird once said to Bud Powell as they sat and listened to Warne play in the very early days "That's the next me." (recounted to me by Sal Mosca who was sitting behind them at the time.) Best Michael Gold, Ph.D. Minnesota. November 14th. 2004. I was very fortunate to be a student and friend of Warne's in the years from 1973 until he passed away. As a beginning musician, Warne was always patient and understanding in answering questions on music styles and theory. Warne always said that a musician should learn the original melody of the song, especially from a standard done by Frank Sinatra or Billie Holiday. Even more than musical ability, Warne was able to point me in the right direction as far as listening and appreciating quality music. I also would like to say that his wife Gerry was always very hospitable to all the musicians when we would have jam sessions at their house in Pasadena. Here's to you Warne from one Valley guy to another. Dusty Wood. Van Nuys, California. November 3rd. 2004. Shortly after the sudden death of Warne Marsh, Henk Bernlef wrote a poem dedicated to Warne entitled "Requiem". This was included in a collection of poems published by Henk in the Netherlands. He has been kind enough to send me an English translation, and I show it here Requiem One
day Warner
("Warner" was
my pet name
for Warne, and
he seemed to
dig it so I
kept using it
right until
the end) and I
were standing
at Second
Avenue and
82nd St.
waiting for
the downtown
Second Avenue
bus to come
along. And
totally out of
the blue,
Warner turned
to me and
said, "You
know, man, I
think I am
really in deep
shit with
Connie."
(Connie
Crothers, of
course.) I
asked him
why? He
replied - and
I'll never
forget his
exact words,
and my instant
comprehension
of the gaffe
that Warner
obviously felt
he made -
"...because
the other day
I told her
that Lennie
was the best
blind pianist
I had ever
heard!" It's a pity you cannot read my articles, poems and stories about Warne. They are all in Dutch. In May I will present an hour long program on Warne starting with his work with Supersax and then on to the last music he played. I will never forget the man. Happy to be able to listen to all the wonderful music he left us. I'll never forget what he said one night when I went to a club in New York to hear him. I think it was the West End. After the first set he detected me in the audience, came over to me and said: "good your ears are here". Henk Bernlef. Amsterdam, The Netherlands. 6th. February 2004 Just
some
reminiscences
about Warne.
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